In case you missed the result of the vote, the health-care reform bill passed late Sunday night, and Obama promises to sign it ASAP. Obama makes some comments here (YouTube video).

Some of the main points as I understand them:
  • Everyone must have insurance; if you choose not to, you pay a $700 fine. Weird and nanny-ish, but is designed to encourage more healthy young folks to add their low costs to the insurance pools (and presumably help fund Federal expenses).

  • If you're poor, you get to opt-in to Medicaid. Not sure if you can opt out while avoiding the fine.

  • If you make a little more, the Feds help you buy insurance.

  • If you're a company with 50 or more employees, you must provide health insurance to them or pay a fine.

  • If you're an employee whose workplace doesn't provide insurance or if you don't have a job, state-limited, private insurance will become available through state-based "insurance exchanges."

  • Insurance companies must cover young folks under their parents' plans even after they move out (until age 26). I presume this helps keep young people in the insurance pool without having to fine them.

  • Insurance companies can no longer deny healthcare based on pre-existing conditions.

  • Out-of-pocket Medicare drug expenses will gradually drop.

  • Federal money cannot be spent on abortions except in special cases (and because of the subsidies, this means no insurance can cover it). Not sure why this was such a battle: Does current insurance cover abortion? And who gets so many abortions that they need insurance to cover it?

  • New taxes on the super-rich and on healthcare plans worth more than many people earn in year will help pay for the reforms.

  • Studies show these reforms will save great big gobs of money and reduce the deficit over time.
Important: Most of this doesn't kick in until 2014 - 2020.

Summary: A few tweaks to existing rules rather than real reform. That is, we don't get the "Public Option," and we certainly aren't approaching single-payer. We don't get new competition in the health-insurance industry, because they retain state-based dominance rather than the kind of interstate competition one sees in other insurance types. Insurance companies will get richer, plus now they'll cite this law as a reason to raise rates. And it won't help anyone for years to come.

An LJ-friend gives 10 reasons for real healthcare reform. Great ideas, and what reasonable person would argue with this? Still, we won't see such an option as long as the Republican party is able to continue convincing people that enriching insurance companies is our patriotic duty. Oh, and the Repubs are screaming about how they'll make a big deal out this in November. I hope they do, because, seriously folks, what kind of whackadoo thinks this bill is a "Federal takeover" of any kind? If anything, it's a boondoggle for insurance companies.

In short, last night's passage of the bill is a win for Obama - and a loss for the do-nothing Republicans - and that's cool. It's a bunch of much-needed improvements to the current system. It will help a lot of people stay healthier without going broke. And those are all good things. So I applaud.

Chris
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From: (Anonymous)

Socialism begins in America


The "do-nothing" Republicans were trying to do what approximately 60% of Americans wanted them to do...defeat this horrible bill. Never in our Nations history have we been threatened or taxed for doing nothing. Don't buy health inusurance, pay a "penalty". Sounds like strong arming to me!! Watch our taxes go up, businesses lose money and fold, Medicare costs go up, insurance rates go up, and the Democrats get voted out of office in November. Obama bought the necessary votes he needed with more empty promises and lies to his fellow Democrats. Yep...this is "Change I can Believe In". And Chris, in the true manner of which the Liberals are conducting their business now...make sure as you screen this posting, you don't allow it to be printed because it is a dissenting voice.

Mark

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com

Re: Socialism begins in America


Hi Mark (which one, by the way?). First off, I wanted to reply to the nonsensical "liberals don't allow dissent" comment. In case you haven't been listening to the news during the past 10 years, it's the right wing that has shouted down dissent. I only screen anonymous comments because of all the spam. Calling Republicans "do-nothings" doesn't make me a liberal; it just shows I've been paying attention *g* The only reason the percentage against healthcare reform went up is due to fear-mongering, lies, and screaming from the right wing. If you look at those same polls, you'll see that most people support healthcare reform; they just don't like this or that - or else they've succumbed to fear and lies.

Okay, with that out of the way, I would love to hear what about this plan is against the goals of today's Republican Party? This reform is a huge boon to insurance companies, and the Republican Party is all about Big Money. The only way this would have looked even remotely like "socialism" is if the Public Option had survived or if we got Medicare for Everyone. Far from it.

So please enlighten me about why the right wing is against this - except that it's a victory for the Democratic Party and, specifically, for Obama. Because that's the only thing I can see.

From: [identity profile] astein142.livejournal.com


I'm happy to see this first hurdle cleared. It ain't perfect, but it's a start. I for one will benefit from the provision that insurance companies can no longer deny healthcare based on pre-existing conditions. But I know full well that they will find a way to ramp the premiums up to the max on those of us who have them.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


Yes indeed! I, too, am pretty excited about that provision, what with not being tenured faculty.

From: [identity profile] queza7.livejournal.com


Well damn, because starting July 1 I won't have any insurance. Oh, well.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


I don't know why it didn't just go into effect right away. I'm guessing it's due to conservative Democrats who hope to be out of office before we start seeing those benefits.

On the plus side, you might be able to get on your parents' plan sooner....

From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com


Studies show these reforms will save great big gobs of money and reduce the deficit over time.

Not any studies worth believing, and I've been analyzing legislative budgets for nearly twenty years. It will neither save money nor reduce deficits. Quite the opposite. CBO is prohibited from making estimates longer than ten years, and Congress understands the scoring rules as well as CBO does, and gamed the hell out of them. Fantasy in, fantasy out.

The preliminary "ten year score" has the first year as this year (2010) for four years of no benefit payouts but still all the taxes, but only six years of program costs. And the program costs themselves were gamed -- they counted the "Medicare savings" twice, for example, yet the separate bill to eliminate the bulk of them (the "doctor fix" bill) is already in process. And those purported "savings" are over half the cost of the bill.

The constitutionality of a tax/penalty on breathing-without-approved-insurance is suspect. Expect lawsuits. If it fails to pass muster with the Supremes (likely) add in another $12B a year or so in non-appearing revenue.

Nor does throwing new money into a system of relatively fixed supply make prices go DOWN. There are only so many doctors and nurses, and it takes years to train new ones. So prices will go UP. Capping prices will inevitably produce shortages. Someone somewhere better start pumping out a whole lotta new primary care docs and nurses, because we already have acute shortages of both.

Expanding Medicaid will produce its own set of problems. Only about half of all doctors will see Medicaid patients now, because the reimbursement rates don't cover actual expenses. And we have that doctor shortage that is not getting better. Also, the fed gov't only pays for part of Medicaid, so state gov'ts are going to get slammed with massive unfunded mandates in the expansion. Unlike the fed gov't, they can't print money to offset that.

Obama wanted this in the worst way, so that's the way we got it.

From: [identity profile] piezocuttlefish.livejournal.com


IAWTP

I like to think that the agile insurance companies will, in the face of their revenues being cut, lobby for ways to cut their costs. As you mention, the supply of medical practitioners is insufficient to meet demand. I think this change will force an increase in available practitioners. The quickest way to do that is to increase the number of pathways one can receive a license to practice.

In most states, only DOs and MDs can prescribe. In some states, those with a Ph.D. in psychology or a Psy. D. and a postdoc program in psychopharmacology can prescribe psychotherapeutic drugs. This sort of specialisation may well catch on in other states and other disciplines. GPs will continue to be a one-stop shop, but if we add similar programs on to existing specialisations (physical therapy, for example), we can increase the supply of medical practitioners without shoving more people through med school.

From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com


Giving privileges to the less-skilled may technically increase the number of "practicioners" but will not increase quality of care. Rather the reverse. BTW, PA's and RPN's can already prescribe within some bounds in most states. Why I get my flu shots at Walgreen's.

There's no magic wand for the MD/RN shortage -- though we could maybe swing the understandable motivation of fresh-graduated MD's to go into the high-paying specialties by forgiving their student debt if they go into primary care instead. The average MD leaves med school with over $200K in student loans, which is a humongous spur towards training for $400k/yr specialties rather than $100K/yr ones. And we should expand the number of training slots for primary-care residencies versus other specialties. We should be doing these things regardless of any other "reforms."

You won't find either of those things in the Senate or House bills, both of which actually contain massive funds cuts for residency/teaching hospitals in the Medicare "savings" calculus.

From: [identity profile] piezocuttlefish.livejournal.com


I bristle at your claiming a Ph.D. in psychology with a postdoc is "less qualified" at prescribing psychoactive drugs than a GP. Quite the contrary. The GPs who can prescribe those drugs don't know what the hell they're doing, whereas the pharmacologically trained psychologist understands it as it pertains to the individual even more than a psychiatrist does. The idea I stated adds more specialists to the pool. And as for PAs, they might even be less qualified than GPs. Ever discussed things with a PA in a psychiatric setting? They're too busy being an M.D.'s bitch to actually know what they're doing.

Yeah. That's not a mistake you should make in polite company. :)

Hmm. What you said amounts to providing subsidies to a certain population. I think subsidising Family Care doctors is probably a little better than farm subsidies (mohair anyone), but subsidies seem like bad business in general. Better to tax the more lucrative specialties, no? Level the economic playing field a bit so that more people will naturally want to go into Family Medicine without costing the government money.

Funding cuts for residency/teaching hospitals: a step in the libertarian direction?

From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com


Since I didn't claim that I can hardly be tasked with it by any honest person. Remember that I can only read what you actually wrote, not what you thought you meant. BTW, there are precious few GP's left, mostly over age 60 or in military practice. Primary-care specialties are internal medicine, family practice, pediatrics, and (by default) OB/Gyn. None of those are GP's. All require lengthy residencies.

The idea I stated adds more specialists to the pool.

Specialists in what? Maybe you should state it more clearly.

Letting a few psychologists have script authority in the states where they don't already is hardly going to have much impact on health care overall.

As for your taxation scheme, you should consider that when you tax something you get less of it, and when you subsidize it, you get more of it. We have an overall shortage of physicians in all fields that is particulary acute in the primary-care fields, and primary care is what we are going to need a hell of a lot more of fairly quickly. That doesn't mean we'll need fewer cardiologists or pulmonologists or endocrinologists. Changing the specialty mix while reducing the total number of physicians doesn't seem terribly helpful, but that would be the natural result of your proposal. We need more, not less.

Funding cuts for residency/teaching hospitals: a step in the libertarian direction?

No, a step in the bogus-government-accounting direction. Those cuts are reasonably certain to never actually happen, now that they've served their purpose in gaming the CBO scoring of the bills. Which is why they need to be added back into the price tag.

From: [identity profile] piezocuttlefish.livejournal.com


I can only read what you actually wrote, not what you thought you meant.

Despite what Barthes may say, in this case the author is not dead, and is in fact is still trying follow the Gricean cooperative principle of conversation. I hadn't intended to take you to task for anything, but if it's a conversational analysis you want, it's a (brief) conversational analysis you get. Honestly, I do not like needing to play this game.

I mentioned the option of giving specialists in their field the right to also practice medicine in their field of specialisation, citing one example in practice and one hypothetical example. You began your post with Giving privileges to the less-skilled may technically increase the number of "practicioners" but will not increase quality of care.. I could either take your comment as somehow responding to things I said or as your just talking about the first thing that popped into your head. I chose the former option. There's no law that says you can't start talking about the first thing pops into your head, but when you do so, you may be violating the conversational maxim of relation--as in this case.

You either built your comments on the assumption that non-doctor specialists are less-skilled than doctors, or you violated the maxim of relation. One's a social faux-pas, the other means you weren't really having a cooperative conversation in the first place. Judging by your response to my admonishment, I'm going to assume the latter.

I hope that that is done and that we can return to having a polite conversation.

Letting a few psychologists have script authority in the states where they don't already is hardly going to have much impact on health care overall.

How many Psy. D. and Ph.D. psychotherapists are they in relation to the number of psychiatrists? What about physical therapists versus sports doctors? I'm wagering this number is more than "a few". We could generalise that across other specialties. I'm not so familiar with the health care field that I can rattle more than two examples off readily. Maybe chiropractic or massage therapy? I dont think this is the solution. I think it would help, and this is a way of increasing not only quantity but quality of health care.

I'm with you on the economics portion of the reply.

From: (Anonymous)

incredibly insane


2500+ pages of special interest crap.
Just in case you missed it the "insurance companies" are guaranteed a 20% Profit margin, to be paid by the TAXPAYERS.

Do you know what the 'market' considers a decent 'profit' right now for these same companies?
Their margins are 5% or less.
Do you hear any of these companies Complaining?

I know most Americans have a very hard time with Math.
This is a direct result of "Progressive" education.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com

Re: incredibly insane


Yowza. Now if only those do-nothing Republicans had tried to work on a bipartisan bill, the Democrats wouldn't have needed to stoop to buying off the insurance companies. Not that either party cares about the people any more than they care about their funding sources....

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


Yeah, I suspected that the numbers were gamed - and this probably explains the dumb-long delay. I look forward to seeing how they tighten this up over the next few months. Who knows? This might end up getting us a true "Public Option" or interstate competition to reduce insurance prices.

From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com


The interstate competition part is the one part I expect to get the least opposition in coming months. 'Bout damn time -- if it passes the courts. States will scream and yell, but to me it seems to fall squarely under interstate commerce, and it was supported on both sides of the aisle for years anyway.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


That would really rock. 'Cuz, y'know, I pay through the NOSE as an adjunct at the university....

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


Oh, I know; I was looking that in the face for Fall until funding came through for my position....

Interestingly, I could have gotten insured on my own for less if I'd've been willing to use a simpler plan. Geez.

From: [identity profile] piezocuttlefish.livejournal.com


Despite all the problems this is going to cause, this sounds like a hell of a good v1.0.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


More like an excellent 0.1 *g*

But change has to start somewhere, and as far as Alpha tests go, this looks better than most!

From: [identity profile] stina-leicht.livejournal.com


"And who gets so many abortions that they need insurance to cover it?"

Having never undergone an abortion, I've no idea how much it costs. Nonetheless, this question might be phrased another way, "And who gets cancer so many times that they need insurance to cover it?" Once is enough. It's a medical proceedure -- a major medical proceedure. And chosing not to cover it causes even more medical issues. But then, chances are, pregnancy isn't covered either (not without an extra waver that costs more $) because pregnancy is a choice. Oh, btw, no abortion and no birth control for you. But hey, pregnancy is a choice on the part of the woman, right? And it's not ever dangerous or life-threatening. babies just pop right out the instant a woman decides to have one. like magic.

one day 'male' will no longer be the standard for health care. one day.


From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


I read a recent medical study about modern miracles of medicine... only to realize that the researchers had only studied men. *sigh*

Abortions performed at dedicated clinics are only a few hundred dollars. Cancer can cost that much per second of chemo - big difference. I sure as hell hope that this bill doesn't get so warped that pregnancy isn't covered by federal monies, or birth control... but wouldn't bet against it, the way the horse-trading is going.

From: [identity profile] stina-leicht.livejournal.com


oh, hey. i stand corrected on the pregnancy issue. as of today, insurance companies must cover pregnancy as part of the bare minimum coverage. so, that's *something*.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


Good to hear! Are they still covering Viagra but not birth control? That's a charmer.

And check out Jay Lake's post that I linked in my follow-up; he speaks to the abortion issue better than I could in my sleepless state ;-)

From: [identity profile] jaylake.livejournal.com


I don't know about birth control, but my insurance covers Viagra for a laughably nominal value of 'coverage.' I'm allowed one pill per week, at a co-pay substantially higher than any of my other co-pays, so that if I use the insurance to buy I save about $30 over the OTC charge. It's ludicrous.

As for chemo, about $18,000 every other week at the nominal bill rate. Times twelve sessions.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


I have loved (by "loved," I mean "laughed with incredulity and cried with frustration") reading about the costs and savings you've been reporting on: Why is it that insurance companies - by definition, the ones with piles of money - pay so much less for healthcare while individuals pay so much more?

There is where I want to see some serious reform next.

From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com


I'm of the school of thought that pregnancy should ALWAYS be covered but that you should cough up your own money for your boner pills. I mean, geez, they're not THAT expensive. Dig the change out of the couch, dude.

Abortion is a touchy one, but almost all elective abortions are first-trimester and that's fairly cheap, and constitutionally protected. Late-term procedures are done almost entirely for justifiable medical reasons, no matter what rants you hear from the pro-lifers.

You want to drive a pro-lifer totally nuts? Point out to them that the average pregnancy carries at least ten times the injury/death risk of even a late-term abortion procedure. Fact. They won't believe you, but it's fun watching their faces get all red and spittle-flecked.

From: [identity profile] piezocuttlefish.livejournal.com


What Chris says, and another difference. If a human lives long enough, ni will get cancer. A second if ni outlives the first. And so on. It is built into our cells, essentially. The same doesn't exactly hold for abortion.

There are programs to cover abortions for low-income mothers-to-not-be (underfunded). Medicaid still pays for abortion in case of "life-endangering circumstances, rape, or incest", as mandated by federal law. That seems to limit the responsibilities of people to situations of elective sex without undue hardship. We definitely need more honest and pervasive sex ed, though. The body doesn't come with a user's manual, so it'd be nice if we could provide a good one.

From: [identity profile] stina-leicht.livejournal.com


i suppose it isn't much different from my never needing viagra and yet, it's covered. *cough*

From: (Anonymous)


Hi Chris, sorry to post anonymously. As a receiver of public health and medicaid in the past I would like to speak from experience - I could not possibly have afforded health insurance at that time and fining me would not have been able to change that. As a participant in Medicaid I and my children were often treated like dirt by the providers who deigned to accept us. I currently pay out the nose for health insurance not because I can well afford it but to spare my kids from humiliation. I am waiting to see what happens, but I suspect the insurance companies will be the ones to benefit most from this.

From: [identity profile] jjschwabach.livejournal.com


Gotta love a man who really does try to keep the campaign promises.

From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com


True, that! And he seems to have been the only politician who tried to work with both parties.
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